May 18 indiegogo Source campaign update

  • May 18, 2017 at 9:47 pm #21066
    wingsounds13
    Participant

    By careful reading and interpretation of the latest update, it appears that the Source Signature Edition might possibly start shipping in about four weeks.  Of course, knowing LH Labs project planning and scheduling, and the apparent fact that they have not received (and possibly even ordered) all of the parts, a more realistic estimate might be 8 to 12 weeks.  Regular Sources are to start shipping some time afterwards.  My current Wild Assed Guesstimate for this would be some time in September.  We’ll see.

    All in all, some (many?) backers may receive their Sources before the end of this year.  Again, we’ll see.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    J.P.

  • May 19, 2017 at 2:47 am #21071
    marflao
    Participant

    Would also be interesting to know about how many “SE” and “Standard” sources we´re talking about here.

    @ Larry: may you share those numbers?

    Thanks in advance.

  • June 18, 2017 at 4:53 am #21502
    jcooke
    Participant

    It is now four weeks later has any units shipped ?

  • June 18, 2017 at 12:21 pm #21503
    wingsounds13
    Participant
    Well…  Just a few​ days ago this post came up on the indiegogo Source page comments:
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    bjski7
    I received this yesterday from Larry.
    “ just want to make an direct update to you for your Signature Edition of Source. And PCB Fab and Assembly are done. We are waiting for the Chassis to complete on the 4 week of this month then we will start the assembly then send it out. So the ship out date is set on first week of July plus or minus 5 works days.”
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    So, no Source SEs will ship before the end of this month.  I am sure that within 24 hours of the first Sources being received that at least one new owner will post somewhere telling us about it.  I would not be surprised to hear from someone within hours of receiving their shipping notice (if LH Labs still sends them out to some of their customers).
    J.P.
  • June 18, 2017 at 12:44 pm #21504
    wingsounds13
    Participant

    Speaking of Source SE and chassis…  As I understand it, the Source SE has a different chassis than the regular Source does.  I am fervently hoping that the difference between the two is the faceplate and the end caps.  I find the latest pictures of the Source to be unappealing.  I do not care for the thick faceplate with the deep \ [ ] / slash and window features.  Similarly the <<<>>> heatsink end caps unnecessary and unappealing.

    I am hoping that these are unique features to the SE and that the regular Source has the plain unadorned chassis that we see in other pictures on indiegogo and the LH Labs marketplace​ website.  I prefer a simpler look, and it would be a much better match for the Pulse X infinity V2 chassis that I have.

    I am sure that others will disagree, but am curious as to other opinions.

    J.P.

  • June 18, 2017 at 7:59 pm #21505
    jcooke
    Participant

    I originally backed Lhlabs because they indicated they wanted to bring quality engineering to the masses (like Schiit Audio). At the time I felt there was a lot of overpriced and questionable gear in the Audio market. I wanted the time / effort / money to go into the technology and I wanted the gear to come in a neutral looking case. I expressed to Lhlabs I wanted the gear to look like it came from family and preferably stack on top of each other. I was happy for Lhlabs to offer a retail version with a nice pretty chassis and add ons once the indiegogo units had shipped.

    I backed the Vi Dac Tube and the Source. I have waited years for the Vi Tube. Lhlabs have spent huge amount of time and effort designing a chassis that I do not really like and the chassis seems to be un-manufacturable / un-economic.  I backed the Source because my old source was on it’s way out.  Now it seems they are playing with Source chassis design.

    Originally  I did not care about the chassis, I cared about sound quality. I put 100% of my audio budget on these two devices and I have received nothing. If I had a choice, I would have prefered my LHlabs products to be shipped years ago without chassis, at least I could be listening to them while I worked out what to do. After waiting all this time without music, I hate to end up with a ugly chassis.

    I would prefer a thinner face plate without the slashes. The red heat sinks at the side may generate interest at a tradeshow but are not for me.

  • July 2, 2017 at 8:39 am #21656
    Andrew Cochrane
    Participant

    “So the ship out date is set on first week of July plus or minus 5 works days.”

    July, yay! The time has finally come (plus or minus five working days)!

    Squeezebox Touch -> Geek Pulse F/I -> Rega Brio-R -> 2x Harbeth P3ESR + Wharfedale Diamond SW150

  • July 2, 2017 at 2:38 pm #21657
    wingsounds13
    Participant

    First week of July ± 5 days.  That makes it July 7 plus five business days (does anyone really think that there is any possibility of the minus five days happening?) makes the possible first ship date Friday, July 14.  I would be surprised if any ship by then, much less before July 14.  They MAY start shipping before the end of July.

    Still, that is for the Signature Edition models.  Even if the SE ships any time in July, does anyone think that the standard models will start shipping before October?  If things move at lightning speed in LH Labs terms, Maybe late September?  They can’t move too fast, after all, they have a hard won reputation of moving at glacial speeds to uphold.

    J.P.

  • July 3, 2017 at 4:01 am #21667
    jcooke
    Participant

    I didn’t notice the Signature Edition option during the campaign and now I find myself behind them in the queue. I hope they are not going to be hand tuned by Larry.

  • July 9, 2017 at 9:18 am #21751
    Andrew Cochrane
    Participant

    Sorry if the sarcasm in my last comment wasn’t glaringly obvious. I didn’t think it needed a ‘/sarc’ but I guess it’s easy to misinterpret written comments.

    Squeezebox Touch -> Geek Pulse F/I -> Rega Brio-R -> 2x Harbeth P3ESR + Wharfedale Diamond SW150

  • July 9, 2017 at 10:28 am #21752
    wingsounds13
    Participant

    No problem.  Our frustration over LH Labs glacial (or geological) development and production speeds blinds us to many things.  Although humor is important at this stage in order to maintain our grip on sanity, subtlety is often lost.  Perhaps we should all practice placing flags on our humorous statements to help others catch our true intent.

    As expected, no evidence of shipment in the first week of July.  Now it is just a matter of watching and waiting to see how many more weeks (late) until SEs start shipping.  Anybody want to start a pool?  What date do YOU think the first Source will ship out?  :-)  My money is on July 27, and  I am almost certainly early with that guess.  Any other bets on ANY date in July?

    Then again, I backed the early bird Source 2Tb and would be surprised to see mine before October, even if the SEs start shipping before the end of July.

    J.P.

  • July 11, 2017 at 7:29 pm #21791
    ss
    Participant

    <sorta sarcasm>I’m not taking any dates in July 2017.  If it has to be a date in July, I’m taking July 2018. Heck, I’ll even be optimistic and take July 1, 2018.</sorta sarcasm>

  • July 11, 2017 at 8:11 pm #21794
    wingsounds13
    Participant

    Well played.  :-)  I understand the position and can’t really refute it.  I was in no way limiting it to July (of any year).  I was just feeling really optimistic at the time and wanted to kick it off.

    Now that we are past starting the pool on when the FIRST Source will ship, how about when we think that we will receive OUR sources?  I say that mine may arrive November 31, but not saying what year.  :-)  My cause for optimism is that I was something like #27 to back the Source.  Then again, backing order didn’t seem to have any significant correlation with Pulse DAC deliveries…  :-/

    J.P.

  • July 14, 2017 at 2:44 pm #21802
    wingsounds13
    Participant

    Well, we are at the end of “the first week of July +-5 days” first shipment time period.  I have not read any reports of shipping notices being received and am sure that at least one of the first half dozen to receive such notice will report it somewhere.  Given the ~4:1 Larry Ho to real world time ratio, the first Source SEs may go out somewhere between the end of July (right!!!) and end of August.  I am curious as to how well that time ratio will hold up.

    This does not bode well for backers of the regular Sources.  At this rate, we would be doing well to get any out before December.  :-(

    J.P.

  • July 16, 2017 at 12:59 am #22149
    Andrew Cochrane
    Participant

    We know from Larry’s Fantastical Chart in the Wave thread that the course of time at LHLabs moves in inverse dog years.

    Squeezebox Touch -> Geek Pulse F/I -> Rega Brio-R -> 2x Harbeth P3ESR + Wharfedale Diamond SW150

  • July 23, 2017 at 7:24 am #22167
    Andrew Cochrane
    Participant

    OK, so we’re now into the fourth week of July, plus or minus five days. After all the build-up I’m getting blue balls. Larry, you’re such a tease.

    Squeezebox Touch -> Geek Pulse F/I -> Rega Brio-R -> 2x Harbeth P3ESR + Wharfedale Diamond SW150

  • August 15, 2017 at 7:56 am #22205
    Jeff from Michigan
    Participant

    As a backer of the Source and the Wave, my only question is what YEAR I will receive my products.

    It’s not going to be 2017 any more than it was 2014, 2015 or 2016.

    I check the news and the forums occasionally, always half-expecting to see that the company has disappeared from the face of the earth.  But honestly, at this point it wouldn’t make the slightest difference in my life. What a shame.

     

  • August 17, 2017 at 2:53 am #22212
    jcooke
    Participant

    So it has been roughly 3 months since the May update. Lhlabs received some chassis and it turns out they are going to a unknown number of SE backers first, but a email to SE backers said that DHL lost the aerials so no chassis have been shipped ? Have I missed anything ?

  • August 17, 2017 at 11:40 am #22213
    wingsounds13
    Participant

    I believe that you have it down pretty well.  My thought on the assembly progress is that even if the antennae are the only things missing that LH Labs has done nothing more towards assembly other than removing the chassis from the shipping crates in which they were received.  That would be consistent with the way that they appear to have handled Pulse DAC assembly: don’t start the assembly process until we have everything.  If SE backers are lucky, I am wrong about this and all assembly is done, awaiting arrival of the antennae for final packing and shipping.

    Now…  How many months after the SEs are shipped before the regular Source models start shipping?

    J.P.

  • August 27, 2017 at 1:22 pm #22215
    Andrew Cochrane
    Participant

    Now… How many months after the SEs are shipped before the regular Source models start shipping? J.P.

    Judging from previous experience I think it’s very safe to say we are at LEAST 18 months away from LHL shipping regular Sources. Larry will of course keep dangling little email baits in front of us in the meantime, each one promising some new deadline which will inevitably get delayed as they literally always have done. At the moment it’s the Wave I’m more eager to get. The Source… meh. It’s not going to revolutionise my listening since I already stream asynchronously to my Pulse (using Squeezebox) and there isn’t too much DSD128 and higher resolution material out there anyway. But I digress…

    Squeezebox Touch -> Geek Pulse F/I -> Rega Brio-R -> 2x Harbeth P3ESR + Wharfedale Diamond SW150

  • August 31, 2017 at 7:07 am #22217
    jcooke
    Participant

    I have been using a general purpose PC as a source. My PC was in the process of dying when the Lhlabs Source campaign was launched. I thought LHlabs had  largely already developed the Source so I backed it. I am depending on my Source and my Vi Dac Tube.

  • September 21, 2017 at 7:18 am #23695
    Starkenstein
    Participant

    I’m guessing that I’ll get my Vi DAC Tube sometime around the end of this year, especially since now I want one more upgrade. If they had adhered to the last update I recall I would have received it last month. After all of these years I went ahead and purchased a Schiit Yggdrasil. I am very pleased with the Yggy, but will be anxious to compare it to the Vi DAC, which if it doesn’t match up well, I’ll sell.

    Having to move on is something that we LHL backers have had to wrap our heads around. Very sad.

  • September 24, 2017 at 5:16 am #23841
    jcooke
    Participant

    If LhLabs gives me a refund  – I will happily move on. If STARKENSTEIN, you buy me a Yggdrasil and an equivalent to the Source  – I will move on. As long as Lhlabs have my money and have not delivered on what they promoted widely before and during the campaign, I will be going nowhere.

     

     

  • September 24, 2017 at 5:56 am #23844
    kneedeep
    Participant
  • September 27, 2017 at 11:52 am #24019
    Andrew Cochrane
    Participant

    If LhLabs gives me a refund – I will happily move on. If STARKENSTEIN, you buy me a Yggdrasil and an equivalent to the Source – I will move on. As long as Lhlabs have my money and have not delivered on what they promoted widely before and during the campaign, I will be going nowhere.

    Not sure why LHL would give you a refund; the whole point of these campaigns is that we get a favourable deal in return for the risk that the product may take several years to materialise. If we were able to simply withdraw our investments at any time there would be no incentive to even start these projects; the risk of bankruptcy would be simply too high. I know it sucks and that we’ve been made to wait far, far longer than was suggested, but such is life with LHL campaigns.

    Squeezebox Touch -> Geek Pulse F/I -> Rega Brio-R -> 2x Harbeth P3ESR + Wharfedale Diamond SW150

  • September 28, 2017 at 10:28 am #24071
    wingsounds13
    Participant

    Refunds are NOT going to happen.  At this point if they gave one person a refund, probably more than half of all backers would want a refund.  That would mean instant bankruptcy for LH Labs, as there is no way that they have half a million or more that would be needed to cover the run on refunds.

    Our only choice is to wait (and wait and wait…) for delivery.  Seriously, if Larry didn’t intend to deliver he would have shut LH Labs down a couple of years ago.  He is doing all that he can to deliver and for now that is all that we have.

    J.P.

  • September 29, 2017 at 8:14 pm #24160
    jcooke
    Participant

    I did not want to kick off a – Refund / Fraud / Fanboy / Crowdfunding / Bankruptcy discussion, which tend to happen between backers as there is usually little information of any substance coming from Lhlabs.

    Just trying to work out where things are really at with the Source.

     

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